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Sex = Love?
I have been wanting to use this first clip in a blog for almost a year. But it wasn't until this past new episode of Scrubs that I finally found my muse for writing.

Andy's Worst Nightmare


Followed By: Five Years Later...

Ladies, here's the deal: whether you like it or not, most men do equate sex with love. And you can sarcastically demean that feeling away, but just as we don't like it that most of you cry sometimes for no reason, or that all you need sometimes is for us to affirm that you are beautiful in order to provide security that the relationship is alright, equating sex with love is ingrained in who we are.

Shaunti Feldhan wrote a fantastic chapter in her book For Women Only detailing this. And since I probably am not writing this with enough sensitivity, I would highly advise all married women - or planning on getting married someday - to read it. But I am going to try, so here goes...

I find two things interesting about the clips above.

First is the expectation that after the husband has been "bagged" in marriage, sex then becomes a tool at the woman's control. What if communication were used like that? What if Scrubs cut over to Turk and JD and JD said, "you know what is great dude, you only have to talk about her day when you actually want to?" (Cue: big hearty laugh)

How positively does that portray marriage?

Second: listen to some of the verbiage Carla uses in the second clip. Notice how she says "I still make sure you get sex at least once a week."

Feldhan makes a comment in her book about how men would rather not have sex, than have sex with someone they feel is doing so out of obligation. And I have to agree with her.

It isn't about "making sure he gets sex." It is that she wants to have sex with him. That is what is equated to love in our DNA. That is what when a "mommy" forgets she is also a "wife" is painful.

Now I am not saying this gives men the right to expect sex "every night" - like Carla exaggerated in her lament. Every relationship is different and that is fine. From most of the conversation I have with married men, it isn't even the lack of quantity of sex - although they wouldn't mind having it more often - but rather the fact it doesn't feel desired.

Trust me. I know more than a single guy should how hard it is to be a mom. It is literally a 24/7 job. There is no time off. There are no vacations. I have the utmost respect for moms. And I am certainly not advocating that post-children sex life needs to look like the newlywed sex life.

What I am saying is that it is going to be a tough marriage if sexual needs aren't being honestly discussed and attempted at being met. Because for men, sex does in fact equal love.
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Erik
Friday, April 17, 2009 10:35:40 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com It's true, but women are too stupid to comprehend this.


Sarah
Saturday, April 18, 2009 03:58:03 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com Why do you keep saying "sex=love" when you wrote in here that men don't want sex when they feel like they are getting it out of obligation and men want to feel desired. So does sex = love or does sex that both partner wants and enjoys = a way to show love? I'm just saying...

Also, this blog kind of makes me sad - I know you are saying that women don't understand men and are in a sense being selfish by not giving it to them but men have to stop being selfish and expecting sex all the time. It's not the way it should be - I know we don't all live in a perfect world but a marriage is a partnership. You talk about things and learn to show each other love they way the other person receives it. That is a very selfless thing and it takes a lot of work. There is no room for selfishness in marriage or it won't work!


Andy Borgmann
Saturday, April 18, 2009 04:06:26 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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Erik said in comment # 1...It's true, but women are too stupid to comprehend this.
I know you are just trying to get people riled up, but I don't think it is that they are too stupid. I don't think most women "maliciously" try and wield the power. It is hard being a mom - and is incredibly physically and mentally demanding. Plus it doesn't end at 5pm with 4-5 hours of downtime before "night time activities."

Heck, when I spend all day hanging out with Andrea and the kids, the last thing I would want to do is have sex with CJ after the kids go to bed ;)

But on a more serious note, throw a career in there for the mom and then it really becomes difficult.

What I find is that most women don't understand the importance of sex to men. It isn't just something that they want simply because it feels good (although that is part of it). It is how they connect. Shaunti does a great job explaining that with facts, studies, etc...

Why do you keep saying "sex=love" when you wrote in here that men don't want sex when they feel like they are getting it out of obligation and men want to feel desired. So does sex = love or does sex that both partner wants and enjoys = a way to show love? I'm just saying...
Ok...ok. I could make the argument that I wouldn't call obligate sex actually sex, but I'll just go ahead and admit you are right on this one ;)

Also, this blog kind of makes me sad - I know you are saying that women don't understand men and are in a sense being selfish by not giving it to them but men have to stop being selfish and expecting sex all the time.
That is a ridiculous statement on so many different levels. Would you say it is selfish to want communication everyday? Or to be kissed or held often?

I am not advocating that a wife needs to be at beck and call at all hours of the day to fulfill her husbands sexual needs. I am not saying it has to be every day, or a couple of times a week, or once a week, or once every month (note to future wife if reading: ignore the last two). That is up to the individual marriage to determine through communication and compromise.

What I am saying is that if the husband and wife are on two different pages, and only one is compromising because the other one has all the "power", it is going to be difficult and wanting more should hardly be labeled selfish.


Erik
Saturday, April 18, 2009 07:23:59 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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Andy Borgmann said in comment # 3...I know you are just trying to get people riled up, but I don't think it is that they are too stupid.
I'm not sure what else to call it, if not stupidity. Asking women to understand these things is like asking a monkey to do calculus. They have no comprehension. The difference though is that we men do often do understand THEIR needs and try to meet them, but it's a very bad bargain for us. We have to spend hours- a lifetime even- enduring their insufferable stupidities, trying to fill that bottomless well of need, and what is it we ask for? We ask them to be sexually giving and enthusiastic. And they can't even manage this half the time. It's disgusting.

Sarah said in comment # 2...I know you are saying that women don't understand men and are in a sense being selfish by not giving it to them but men have to stop being selfish and expecting sex all the time.
Just as women have to stop being selfish and expecting love all the time.


Sarah
Saturday, April 18, 2009 09:59:36 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com You miss understood me - I meant what you said in response to my comment. There has to be communication so that they are on the same page! Communication is the key to any relationship and marriages are no exception. The only reason I brought up selfishness was because lots of times selfishness can creep in because people want things there way and when they don't have the communication skills to tell their partner then comes the problems. I think we agree on this - you have to communicate and no one in a marriage should "have the power" over the other. Marriage is about giving to the other person, there's no denying that.


Andy Borgmann
Sunday, April 19, 2009 01:11:34 AM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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Sarah said in comment # 5...You miss understood me - I meant what you said in response to my comment.
I misunderstood you huh? It's hard to take the statement, "men need to stop being selfish and expecting sex all the time" out of context.

But let's just assume I did misunderstand you (wink) ... you have to give me that the clips I played are:

  1. Not a good example of communication within a marriage (she pretty much belittles the dude)
  2. Show a pattern of knowingly exploiting the power of sex from the very beginning of the marriage
  3. A fairly common theme within a lot of marriages.

Sarah said in comment # 5...Marriage is about giving to the other person, there's no denying that.
I am all for the giving ;)


Sarah
Monday, April 20, 2009 12:14:04 AM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com I will give you A B and C but my point is - that's not what marriage should be! Marriage is a relationship taken all too lightly these days and failing in huge numbers - your videos show why. No, not because women use sex as a tool (although that is defiantly part of the problem)but the second clip shows that both people are being selfish and only thinking about themselves (even when she says she had sex with him once a week - it's selfish, she's doing it so he won't have something to nag her about! So that she looks like she's doing everything she can, when really she's taking the easy way out) But really, I'm sick of talking about this, I have a real marriage to go invest time in so that we don't end up like these stupid characters on Scrubs! And last but not least - you watch too much Scrubs - it's not even that good of a show! :)


Andy Borgmann
Monday, April 20, 2009 12:16:51 AM    Quote Selection | Permalink
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Sarah said in comment # 7...But really, I'm sick of talking about this, I have a real marriage to go invest time in so that we don't end up like these stupid characters on Scrubs!
Uhhhh....has it been six weeks?

Sarah said in comment # 7...you watch too much Scrubs - it's not even that good of a show! :)
You and I are no longer friends.


Sarah
Monday, April 20, 2009 10:49:34 PM    Quote Selection | Permalink
Gravatar.com Bennett is 8 weeks old yesterday - however, that none of your business anyway!


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Andy's blog aims to be like a Scrubs episode, mixed with a Chuck Klosterman column, centered around the topic of faith. It is open, honest, raw, and a little embarrassing. It is a place to discuss religion, politics, ministry, pop culture, and well, just life - especially focused on the time of life we call our 20s!

Andy is the Executive Producer of The Allen Hunt Show; a progressive (in the literal sense), talk radio show based in Atlanta, GA aimed at bringing faith back into the public discussion. Andy enjoys travel, aviation, web design, politics, friends, and faith. He holds that the secret to a full life is loving God and loving people - which he fails at constantly.

Andy grew up in Fort Wayne, IN. He now lives in Alpharetta, GA.

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