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Erik vs. JaSoN - Why Is Erik the Magneto to my Professor X, but JaSoN is the White Goodman to my Peter La Fluer

02/13/08

Permalink 01:04:58 pm, by Andy Borgmann Email , 592 words
Categories: Religion, Christianity, Ministry, Internet, Relationships, Bible

Erik vs. JaSoN - Why Is Erik the Magneto to my Professor X, but JaSoN is the White Goodman to my Peter La Fluer

Erik vs. Jason - Why Is Erik the Magneto to my Professor X, but JaSoN is the White Goodman to my Peter La FluerIf you aren't a psychologist you can go ahead and stop reading this post. Alright, all psychologists now? Here's the question I pose on this proverbial, digital couch: why is it that I truly like Erik, but I can't stand JaSoN...

Ohh, you'd like a little bit of context.

Sure.

See, Erik is the creator of AllenHuntShowSucks.com. We sometimes exchange as much as 15-20 e-mails a week. He tells me when he goes on vacation. I tell him when I am sick. I generally care for him as a human being. He's an atheist. He pretty much hates everything I stand for. Our relationship reminds me of Professor X and Magneto in the movie X-Men. We are bitter sworn enemies, but we have a fondness and respect for one another that seems to transcend the enemy thing.

JaSoN on the other hand is an annoying blog commenter at TruthTalk Live (a Christian radio show, on Christian stations that Allen and I sometimes fill in on). JaSoN and I's relationship is strictly bound to the blog. He tells me I don't believe in Sola Scriptura. I tell him Sola Scripture isn't even in scripture, so we must rely on theological concepts like the Wesleyan Quadrilateral to pick up where scripture leaves us. I really could careless about him. He's a Christian. We probably basically agree on about 95% of the main issues related to our faith. But for the 5% we disagree on, I want to punch him in the face. Our relationship reminds me of Peter La Fleur and White Goodman in the movie Dodgeball. We are bitter, sworn "brothers", and thanks to atonement for sin, we will have to spend eternity with one another.

So Dr. Internet, do you have enough to figure out why I truly like my "enemy" but dislike my "brother"?

I know. I don't have an answer either. I have been puzzling about this for months now.

I guess if I had to pinpoint it, my real distaste for some other Christians probably stems from what I would call the "bastaderization" of the Gospel. We have reduced the Bible to be "the owner's manual of life" and it has all the answers. We come up with inconsistent theology, and we proof text certain scriptures to make our point more convincing.

But the way I see it, there are some questions the Bible doesn't answer (i.e. How do you make a plane fly? How do you start a heart after a heart attack? Why are some people always depressed?). And that is where we turn to science or medicine or psychology.

And whether preachers would like to admit it or not, there are gray issues in the Bible (i.e. Why does it seem perfectly acceptable for Solomon to sleep around, but I can't? Is is wrong to use English swear words? Is masturbation a sin? Is it ok to pass the homeless guy on the street and not help him out?). And that is where we turn to scripture, reason, experience, tradition, and prayer.

In the end, I guess it is that I seem to forget that I need to approach JaSoN with grace and patience and love, because I think it doesn't matter. Sure we disagree, but his opinion of me won't have any effect on his life or eternity. Where as, psychologically speaking, with Erik I seem to think the way I interact with him could have an eternal difference.

I should probably pray about that inconsistency of behavior.

Thanks Doc. This session has been great.

4 comments

Comment from: Sarah Elwer [Visitor] Email · http://sarahelwer.blogspot.com
Something I noticed is that with JaSoN you expect him to be using his brain - but I went and read what you had linked to the Truth talk live site - what the heck are you doing wasting your time talking with that guy?! I want to punch him in the face too!!! Eric has a brain - thus you like him - not that hard to figure out! :)

However, I am surprised you don't like Eric more because you always like a good fight...although I guess that's the thing - it's not a "good" fight. Thus leading me back to Eric, he has a brain and he is up for a good fight just like you are - don't bother with JaSoN anymore! Just stick to Eric
PermalinkPermalink 02/14/08 @ 15:13
Comment from: Andy Borgmann [Member] Email · http://www.2timothy42.org
However, I am surprised you don't like Eric more because you always like a good fight
A youth ministry degree does not make you a psychologist. I don't care what Steve or Amy told you ;-)

And yes...that is why I like Erik. I am always up for a good fight and he is a worthy foe. But this brings up a whole new digital couch session...why is it that I prefer to fight with people?
PermalinkPermalink 02/14/08 @ 15:25
Comment from: you don't know me so it doesn't matter [Visitor] Email
i was blog surfing and came upon your site. I went to truth talk live also and read the debate. honestly neither you nor Jason are right or wrong. but I have a question for you...do you believe God is outside of time? meaning everything that is to happen God already knows about. if you do, how can you say there is no scripture to comment on abortion and everything else that is in the grey area? Abortion may be new to our society (or more widely used) than in the Bible times but God already knew. So I believe he does address the issues. I don't have all the answers...just a thought.

On a different note, lets not become like the pharisees, with our rules and traditions. Communion with God is the only way to truly know where he stands on issues. It's not a relationship with the book (Bible)-although it's an IMPORTANT part of our faith, but it's a relationship with Christ.
PermalinkPermalink 02/14/08 @ 18:45
Comment from: Andy Borgmann [Member] Email · http://www.2timothy42.org
So I believe he does address the issues. I don't have all the answers...just a thought.
Ohh I agree. I am not saying that I don't think we can't find answers in the Bible. But what I am saying is that it takes more than just reading the Bible. So, take abortion, I do believe there are scriptural passages that speak to this issue. However, it also takes some reasoning skills because there is no where in the Bible that says exactly, "Abortion is wrong" or gives a case study of the topic.

Communion with God is the only way to truly know where he stands on issues. It's not a relationship with the book (Bible)-although it's an IMPORTANT part of our faith, but it's a relationship with Christ.
Exactly. You hit it right on the nail. I never want to say the Bible isn't important (heck this site is named after a Bible verse), but truth comes from more than just the Bible - it comes from God.
PermalinkPermalink 02/15/08 @ 09:48

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