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Bar Talk: A Reflection on 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On

12/29/07

Permalink 02:20:49 pm, by Andy Borgmann Email , 636 words
Categories: Life, Religion, Christianity, Ministry, Andy's Favorites, Friendship

Bar Talk: A Reflection on 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On

Andy Borgmann & Lisa Cassey in Fort Wayne, IN - A Reflection on 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree OnI am in Fort Wayne right now. One of my favorite things about going home is to catch up with friends I talk with occasionally on the phone, but see rarely. Lissa, myself, and another friend named Laura were set to meet at Buffalo Wild Wings. It turned out about half my graduating high school class showed up. But when Lissa walked in, all other conversation in my book ceased and the fun was about to start.

So you might be asking yourself, why is this girl so important? Do you have like a major thing for her? Not exactly. On paper, Lissa and I should be enemies. In our "Fox News" world, we should not be friends. We should have a TV show where we fight to the bitter death over just about any topic, accusing the other person of being anti-American and a horrible person1. But there are few people I look forward to hanging out with more than Lissa. The night always seems to end too early.

Lissa is agnostic, liberal2, cute, and smart. I am a Christian, conservative2, ugly, and not-too-bright. But what I love about our relationship is that we have always had great respect for each other, and we have, with out actively trying, always abided by the rules of an article I came across on Cracked last week titled 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On. The basic gist of the article are these 10 points:

  1. You Can Do Terrible Things in the Name of Either One
  2. Both Sides Really Do Believe What They're Saying
  3. In Everyday Life, You're Not That Different
  4. There Are Good People on Both Sides
  5. Your Point of View is Legitimately Offensive to Them
  6. We Tend to Exaggerate About the Other Guy
  7. We Tend to Exaggerate About Ourselves, Too
  8. Focusing on Negative Examples Makes You Stupid
  9. Both Sides Have Brought Good to the Table
  10. You'll Never Harass the Other Side Out of Existence

I think all of these points are right on. The only exception being #3, and while I think it is true in reality, it is a sad thing about modern Christianity. I mean, take a couple of different social choices away, the fact I abandoned any desire to go to Law School, and our Sunday morning activities, and Lissa and I live pretty much the same life.

But think about how great this world would be if we approached all people we disagreed with using the above guidelines. Think how politics would look. Think how families would look. Think how relationships would be different. Think how more civilized this world would be. Think how much fun life would be. And both sides are just as guilty of continuing the hatred of the other.

This Christmas I received a present3 from Erik (creator of allenhuntshowsucks.com). I even opened it with my family around the tree with all my other presents (we joked about the fact it might have anthrax). But I sincerely enjoy Erik as a person. We don't agree on religion. But we have respect for one another, and our e-mails back and forth are a lot of fun.

My hope (which they know) is for Lissa and Erik to one day realize the fullness (I didn't say easy) of life found in a relationship with Jesus. But until then, I am thoroughly enjoying the fun times and journey together.

1Ironically, a conversation did come up between Lissa and I about starting a TV show. Let's just say, we are great at mimicking conversation had by other people in a distance.

2I think both of us would admit that we have become more moderate over the years - especially as we have ventured out of Indiana and have more than just Fort Wayne political ideology to reference.

3If you are wondering what he sent me, it was a book of poetry.

3 comments

Comment from: Erik [Visitor] Email · http://www.allenhuntshowsucks.com
Lissa, Laura...more hot girls with L names. All part of Andy's protean army of nubile young "friends."

And as for your favorite agnostic atheist, I can't even get the Jehovah's witness gals to talk to me, such is my decrepitude.

BTW- feel free to give my phone number to Lissa in case she finds her way down to ATH. Ah Lissa. The extra S must be for ssweet.
PermalinkPermalink 12/29/07 @ 18:56
Comment from: Andy Borgmann [Member] Email · http://www.2timothy42.org
All part of Andy's protean army of nubile young "friends."
Yes, I had to look up the definition of protean. Like I said, "I am not so smart."
PermalinkPermalink 12/29/07 @ 22:35
Comment from: Lissa [Visitor] Email
Awww...Andy! I feel the same way about our conversations. I've always said that you wre one of my favorite people to talk to about religion because you're willing to examine what you believe and talk about it openly with other people. No one ever feels uncomfortable around you because they believe differently or may disagree with what you say, which leads to really open discussions. I think your open-mindedness is going to make you an amazing pastor some day...your congregation will feel comfortable letting you lead them in their faith because under your guidance, they will be free to question it, which (I think) is part of the process of becoming closer to God. This entry made my entire day. :)
PermalinkPermalink 12/30/07 @ 13:23

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Andy is the Producer of The Allen Hunt Show; a progressive, talk radio show based in Atlanta, GA aimed at bringing faith back into the public discussion. And enjoys travel, aviation, web design, politics, friends, and faith. He holds that the secret to a full life is loving God and loving people - which he fails at constantly.

Andy's blog is a place to discuss religion, politics, ministry, education, and well, just life! It is cross-post at The Allen Hunt Show, and, in a more limited fashion, at Newsvine.

Andy lives in Alpharetta, GA.

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